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What ever happened to Warrior tables?
big al:
WOW! WOW! WOW!....i tell you anderson you got me sold!...after hearing all this out of this world feed back on how great the FIREBALL tables are...i tell you i cant wait to get my hands on one...but for me to get one out here in the Paific would cost me an arm and a LEG!..LOL!...thats why i hope Mr. Brad and company hold one of his tours here at Waikaloa or even in Oahu...i know..i know.. wishful thinking....it seems everyone whos played on Fireball all have great reviews...thats great to hear for the sport...keep up on the great promoting on this great table......but until the WARRIOR is the table ill play and practice on...no regrets!!...keep on foozing!!
Anderson:
BB, I agree with you about inline shots, but it is possible to master inline shots on Bonzini and grippy tables in general. I've been shooting a backpin more and more on Bonzini, and the stickiness has added options to my game. One simply needs to emphasize the forward motion of the ball, be much more deliberate with pulling it forward before following through. It allows extreme walking and stomp fakes and reverses, so I love it. But I do love my Fireball as well. If I want to practice extreme grippy shots, euro pins, etc, I simply throw in a super dirty gummed up ITSF b-ball, and there it is. It would be cool if they designed simple roll-on mats so that I could practice on a linoleum surface like Bonzini. That would allow the grippiest play. Again, all of my points are for playing these styles on my Fireball for practice. I bought a camera today and a tripod so that I can start video taping all of this on my Fireball and I'll have to post some video soon.
To the original poster, I think it is clear that Fireball is your best option. There are a lot of great tables out there, and don't let anyone tell you that one table is better than another. You simply have to play a table before you can take any of that to the bank. BB's explanation about table quality doesn't do enough. One hears complaints about Bonzini, or other French tables, because they are hard to level, or the ball wears and no longer rolls true. Well get a new ball and try to level the table, or get a new surface because it's easy to install, but probably expensive. The style of play can't be substituted for, and if you enjoy that style, Tornado and Fireball simply won't do. Garlando and other tables are ACQUIRED tastes, and they all have their die hard fans. I love the style of play on Bonzini. I learned on hard ball tables first and loved that style until I was exposed to the French tables and that style of play. I've been playing more Tornado lately, and there are things I enjoy doing on that table to. I like Fireball best because I have found that I can mold it to my needs and practice Tornado, Fireball, Garlando, and now Bonzini, maybe not to exact replication, but to the general idea. I was just practicing on my table and I found it so convenient to remove the opposing 5-bar for my 3-man practice. The fact that it costs me little to no time to remove or replace a bar, or to insert things into the bearing to play a different rod, 30 seconds(a few minutes for Bonzini because I have to change the two piece bearing), is why even though I love Bonzini and that style of play far beyond what I will ever have for Fireball, I got the biggest bang for my buck. I can play nearly any style that I want.
tagger:
I am relatively new to the forum so not an expert on much of anything. I have been searching for a table and came across the Fireball products. I ended up speaking with Brad Laurine who represents Fireball Table soccer. His approach to customers, the time he took to educate a novice such as myself and the passion he has for his product is a major reinforcement to buying Fireball tables. Certainly all the specifications are in favor of Fireball, the few that have experience with Fireball all state that is is probably the best all round table so Tornado watch out, Competition is always healthy.
I will probably end up buying the Fireball just because I feel the customer support that Brad Laurine will provide is amazing and rare to find with any product out there today!
Sorry this is a shameless plug for Brad Laurine but i feel he deserves it!
Anderson:
--- Quote from: tagger on September 11, 2011, 12:49:48 AM ---I will probably end up buying the Fireball just because I feel the customer support that Brad Laurine will provide is amazing and rare to find with any product out there today!
Sorry this is a shameless plug for Brad Laurine but i feel he deserves it!
--- End quote ---
He does! :D
bbtuna:
tagger, I agree 100%, Brad is a great person and is totally committed to customers but it isn't a corporate value, its just a natural personal value but because he runs the company, it turns into a corporate value
Anderson,
there is a lot of emotion involved with tables...you are a smaller % of players most people have bias toward a table (which means toward the style that table produces) based on what they "grow up on"...once you get used to a certain way, a certain style, making the transition to other tables that play differently
but if a person can take a step back and remove themselves from the emotion and their personal bias's and think about the game and table design holistically and not based on what a person can do now or what they like to do then you can see difference in tables that can be called good and bad
even so, there is nothing good or bad about having preferences to a specific style of play, its like enjoying one kind of music over another and if a person like the limited playing options and obvious strengths of say Bonzini, then more power to them but if a new player is looking to get involved and is asking advice on what table they should buy and they live in the US or UK and not in the rest of Europe then i could never recommend Bonzini
oh, by the way, I have seen Billy P shoot a pull on Bonzini and with a slow careful patient approach Billy could get it set up more or less in the right place and rip a pull that looked like the table was going to break with each shot but it was painful to watch and I think his feelings about it were not positive...it took all of his considerable amazing skill just to pull it off ... that doesn't mean a person should claim that Bonzini does inline shots any more than saying Tornado is good for the Euro piin becasue Fred can shoot it...and its way way easier to do a euro pin on Tor than a pull on Bonzini
i love what you are doing with your Fireball...I have used the Warrior ball on it and it takes control to another level and I am goint to get Bonzini cork and ITSF ball and see how that does..tomorrow (or later today really) I am going to break out some vintage NOS TS balls I have and see what that does...I have done it on Tornado and its a hoot because the ball is so stickie and so dang light
okay, i am headed to bed... more later ...Fireball is the future of foosball and Tornado needs to consider what is coming and if Warrior pulls off what they are planning, there will be a whole new world of foos in the US...3 great tables and a vintage Euro on the side for those who love the french :P
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