ok sorry didnt have time to post a longer reply earlier. well first off jim, i did end up picking up that classic sport table. i just couldnt pass up the option of having twin-foos in the game room. its nice, white oak, chrome trim, overhead lights, cup holders, side ball return. but its just to new and not broken in like the harvard.(btw can we post pics on here?)i tightened up the cabinet and legs on harvard, put the silicon stuff on the rods, and did end up getting 1 tornado ball and two dynamos. i def like the tornado better. the table and play improved by at least 65%. but im down to put some tornado dudes on my harvard.i do know that both tables use 5/8'' solid rods. so i guess ill let you know and thanks for the feedback man.