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Timeouts?
« on: March 18, 2008, 04:06:58 PM »
How do you guys feel about calling timeouts?  Do you always use both never use them or only use when ure running outta time?   I personally dont even think about them Im so focused on whats going on the table...not meaning im not aware of them but I just wanna go and keep going till its over.   I do have to say i will use them when its game rock after ive walked the snake all over and faked every which way....call it then come back touch two and fire at the first hole....

just want youre thinking on them?

Offline EDGEER

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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2008, 04:59:41 PM »
Most pro masters tend to use them whenever they must have a pass or a shot to take the lead.  If your up 2 to 1 and you get the ball on the 3, nearly all PM's will call a time out to increase the odds they will lead 3-1.  3-1 is hard to overcome at that level.

Conversly, amatuers will never take a time out and mis-execute. LOL

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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2008, 07:03:29 PM »
I m usally down 3-1 so I use them to get them out of rythem. ;)

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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2008, 08:16:51 PM »
I m usally down 3-1 so I use them to get them out of rythem. ;)


Seriously now, you want to be able to say that your shooting or passing percentage goes up after youu  call a time out.  I once heard Jim Stevens give some numbers on several players and how their odds of scoring go up after a time out.  He also stated the difference between rollers and pull shooters was in favor of the roller after a time out.  I myself try to be 100% after a time out, but I am probably in the 80% range.

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2008, 08:42:20 PM »
Dont forget your oponent is also useing your time out so it is even .Ever see a batter step out of the batters box just befor the wind up that delay is very efictive when done at the right time

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2008, 03:44:12 AM »
Dont forget your oponent is also useing your time out so it is even .Ever see a batter step out of the batters box just befor the wind up that delay is very efictive when done at the right time

No Steve, it is not even.  Top players have proven that they score at a higher percentage after a timeout.  Pro-master which are top players take timeouts and score more often and that is why they are Pro-Masters   ;)

Amatuers never take advantage of timeouts and attempt to shoot in a hurry and therefore choke and miss the shot and turn it over and that is why they are amatuers  ::)

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2008, 11:20:21 AM »
Thats a good point Pro masters will score more I have shot to fast and lost a match.

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2008, 07:18:13 PM »
Rule #1 in using timeouts wisely, THERE IS NO SET FORMULA FOR TAKING THEM.

What needs to be learned by the lower ranked player is the ebb and flow of a match and strategies being employed at the time. You shouldn't take a time out in your match because you saw a pro or pro master take a time out at a particular point, only if "your" situation dictates it. Timeouts can win you a match, but they can also lose one.

Ex., I was playing in a no two pro dyp against a very good semipro team in which I had drawn a total rookie who was just learning how to play. The match comes down to meatball where the other team had the drop. I decide to stay up front to block the pass even though the forward has been ripping my goalie to shreds. However, he makes the pass and I'm thinking the match is over. But for some strange reason, he calls a timeout with a smile on his face as if the match was in the bag. I think to myself, "WOW, did he just do that?" I step back with a smile on my face not believing my luck. I look over at David Radack who says aloud Wow, in which a lower ranked player sitting next to him says "What's wrong, I don't understand?" Radack says, "Just watch". As the opposing team approaches the table and about to call time in, I say "Hold it a minute", I then switch to the goalie position and instruct my partner if I make the block and you somehow come up with the ball, call timeout. The opposing forward then says "I don't care who's back there". After looking him in the eyes with a rye grin, I know he's lying. He shoots and I block it. I clear the ball and it hits the back wall and my partner catches it and calls timeout. I switch back to forward and score the point. Match over. Afterwards, I asked the forward why he called the timeout. His reply was "It was a big point so I thought I was supposed to take a timeout. His mistake was not evaluating the situation. He was ripping my goalie apart and should have continued to do so. Instead, he gave me an opportunity to make up for not switching to goalie in the first place on his last drop. He made a huge strategical error.

So you see, there is not set equation for using timeouts. You need to learn to evaluate what's going on to use them wisely. I've used them before on the first ball if I thought it was going to help my situation now and later on in the match.

When you see the top guys play matches and using timeouts. After the match is over, try going up to them and ask them why they used a timeout in a particular situation. That's how you learn.

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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2008, 07:35:38 AM »
Wise words ICEMAN, jump on the big dog when and while you can.  I hate DYP's  :-\

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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2008, 10:45:56 AM »
Yup, I was in a similar situation except I was the lower ranked player. I was playing against Dio in a Sat dyp or something small like that.Anyway he had a rook goalie that I was scoring fairly well on.

 I had the ball to win on 4-4 and I promise you there was no way in hell I was calling time out. Sure that went against everything I had seen the "pros" do up to that point, but common sense told me other wise.

 

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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2008, 03:07:03 PM »
I had the same thing as well only it worked in my advantage.. I was forward and we were matching point for point and it came to the meat ball.. Only thing was I was kinda having a hard time scoring against the goalie.. I just couldnt shoot that well... I got the ball on the three man and noticed that I was getting tense and needed a time out to stop and relax.. I took the time out and when I came back for time in the two on the other end switched.. I set the ball up for a snake shot and it was like I could see every hole and felt more comfortable with that goalie than the other goalie.. I scored and felt good about taking the time out at that point.. However I do understand where  Gitablok was saying that you have to choose your timeouts wisely.. It is a very important part of the game..