Topic: Help shooting the back-pin and front-pin

[foosinaround69]

bbtuna,

   Great Idea!!!! I just need to know how to put it online once it is recorded...I would love to see how you shoot as well as show you the same!!! My shot is kinda strange cause I actually move the ball over then the man comes down and then back up and down to hit the ball ...all in a split second!!!(for the long pull anyway) Do you use the wrist or open or a combo of both?? Anyway let me know what to do to post it and I'll get some footage together...K??

[Old Meister]

I've been trying to get my kid to video my shots so maybe you wouldn't mind a little company?

[pinalyzer]

It is hard to video by yourself and really adds a level of concentration.  At this point I try to film with my left as I shoot it with my right.  I think tonight I will try to set the camera somewhere aimed at the shot and get some footage.  I hear what Charles is saying about reverses and such, but at the tourney Saturday night, I shot about 80 to 90 percent and didn't have to do anything other than the pull side, push side longs and both side splits.  I think I will practice up my reverses, but I often find that the goalie accidently gets in the way on my reverses.  But as you will see with my dribble no-telegraph style, I am looking for the open hole then crush down on it to take the open hole.  I do some fake one side then pull back and take the split but usally open hole shooting,
Tommorrow, I will try to post some video or sent to Dan that can put it up for me.
John
AKA-The pinalyzer,
Hey Charles do you remember me, you reffed my semi-singles final at the tour kick-off in Okalahoma city in the early 90's where I shot the Backpin front and goalie.  AFter the first match, which I lost, you left as we were going by the rules.

[bbtuna]

Pin,

you are thinking of someone else, I wasn't playing in the early 90s and haven't ever been to OK and it is a personal value of mine to be a good sport...I played 1975 to 1981 (ish) and then picked up again in Octish of 2003 and have only played in St Louis and KS since then...I think if my memory serves me right, we have had this conversation one other time

as far as filming goes, I have a tri-pod, I can't imagine filming any other way...in the late 70's I created what I call a silent dribble where the man is on the ball most of the time, I wonder if that is the same thing as what you are talking about when you say "dribble no-telegraph style"

on reverses, it is about picking the right time and defense...someone who follows first movement real well or is bait happy...in the first case you need only start in one direct and this goalie bails out and so it is easily open the second is someone who is nervous because you have beaten them to the bait hole and so you wait until they are baiting you long and then fake to the bait and shoot the reverses

however, if your lateral speed is fast enough or take off invisible enough, then by all means, shoot like that and only use a reverse when you know the person will completely bail out because you are right, if you choose the wrong time/defense, often people will accidently be in the wrong place

I have a tendency to over yank with my arm which makes me blockable but when I start smooth and let speed happen after the take off, my percentages are very high but this is a major change in my stroke and I can be inconsistent with it and so I have mixed results at times...I haven't been working on my shot for quite some time while I focus on other parts of my game but before year end I will spend some serious time seeing just how smooth I can make it...we will see

in the mean time, I will work on setting up my video and see about transfering to my PC