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Table Maintenance Question
« on: December 02, 2009, 09:15:05 AM »
My friend owns a table (Tornado, 86ish coin-op) that is in relatively good shape for how old it is but the rods are sticking now and we've oiled them up and they seem more sticky.  What steps should we take to make the rods work smoother as far as cleaning them and the bearings.  Also, I think one of the three man bearings on one side is an older bearing that has a smaller diameter possibly.  Finally, if you put new bearings on, are you supposed to put any sort of lubricant on them to help them initially?  Thanks in advance for any good responses.

Offline bbtuna

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Re: Table Maintenance Question
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2009, 10:20:28 AM »
first, don't ever use oil...you should use the silicone made for the table and that only...there has been no change in the size of the bearings as far back as I track tables

buy the small bottle (0.5 oz) of silicone offered here it is the best way to put the right amount on your rods...it makes a perfect small bead
http://foosdirect-store.stores.yahoo.net/silicones.html

order this big silicone to refill and you will be good for a couple years at least - 8 oz bottle is $12
http://tornadofoosb.powweb.com/store/page9.html

if one bearing seems too tight it may be that it is just tightened too much or it is just weakened over time and is clamping down too much

because of the table age and the fact you put oil on the rods, you should do a one time total cleaning...remove all the bearings, inside and out, and all bumpers and then wash with hot water and soap...there is likely a lot of gunk built up so you will need to do some scrubing too, use a tooth brush and rag as needed...after a really good wash, rinse them in as hot a water as you can and set them on a dry cloth to dry out (hot water helps get off any soap and will help them dry faster)...before replacing them, make sure they are completely clean and completely dry

use hot water and a clean cloth to clean the rods...use can use a little 401 on them to ensure you have all the oil and any other residue off the rods - make sure you dry the rod completely since left over water can begin rusting

on replacing them...remember with the bumpers, the side with the holes is the side that touches the wall...your bumpers won't last long if you put them in backward

on the bearings...the split bearing is where the rod rubs so the half that is on the bottom is the one that gets worn...this is not all bad and you may want to take note of this before removing them if you can keep track...check the surface for how they have worn or if there are any burrs or anything that would keep them from being smooth...you can use a very fine finishing sand paper to smooth them out if needed...800 to 1600 grit depending on your detail and willingness to refine...you don't want to change the shape of the bearing and you want to make the surface smooth like glass...you only need to do this on the bottom half of the split bearing, the rod is not going to be impacted by the upper half (however if there were burrs i would remove them even on the top side

when tightening the bearings there is a balance...you want them as tight as possible without them clamping down on the rod...you want to remove as much "play" in the rod...this will keep the rod from swimmming in the bearing which will make your shots more predictable and will help with the life of the bearings...to have a loose bearing and the rod swimming is putting a lot of violent motion on the bearings

i know people who loosen the bearings so that the outside nut is wiggling and even turns a little on its own...they think this make the rods faster but i TOTALLY disagree...you can make the rod swim 1/4 inch or more and this impacts catching the ball and shooting...if your bearings are in good shape, the rod is siliconed properly, and the rod is tightened right, you will have the best of all worlds

you should not have to do this long tedius process more than once every 3-5 years depending on how crazy you are with the silicone

you do all this and i am certain you will be amazed at how good the play is

« Last Edit: December 02, 2009, 10:23:31 AM by bbtuna »

Re: Table Maintenance Question
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2009, 11:24:08 AM »
Very good info, thank you for your help!  I will print this out and let you know the results.

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Re: Table Maintenance Question
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 10:46:30 AM »
assuming you have the tools, this will take a couple hours...biggest variance will be how much time you spend on the bearings...here is an article I ran accross this morning you might be interested in...depends on how crazy you are to get eveything beyond perfect...no tourament table will ever have anything like this but that doesn't mean you wouldn't want it on your home table

let me know what you do and how it comes out

http://www.foosball.com/forum/index.php?topic=1492.msg5329#msg5329

Re: Table Maintenance Question
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2009, 10:07:48 PM »
Since it's not my table here's what I did based on your advice (loosely).  I wiped all the rods off with a damp rag and then sprayed silicone on them.  Now they are smooth as they need to be for non-tournament action.  Thanks for your help.

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Re: Table Maintenance Question
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2009, 12:12:50 AM »
you do not want sprayed silicone on the rods it will make them peel in pretty short order...you need to get the silicone made for this application...spend a couple bucks and it will save you, or whoever, a ton of money down the line

Re: Table Maintenance Question
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2009, 12:23:15 AM »
Has anyone tried this stuff that Jim is selling?

Super-Lube

This stuff is amazing, way better then silicone! Give it a try!
• 7 ml Dispenser “Super Lube” rod oil.
• Suspended PTFE particles bond to rod surface.
• Uniquely “slippery,” non-toxic & biodegradable.
• CONTAINS NO HAZARDOUS SILICONES.

Re: Table Maintenance Question
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2010, 11:09:12 AM »
I want to clean up my rods this weekend and don't have time to wait for shipping from the seller up above.  Has anyone ever used the stick silicone that you can get from a lowe's or ace hardware?

This is my table and I plan on taking all the rods off along with the men.  I unfortunately used WD-40 a couple months ago and it made the rods sort of black.  What should I use to clean em before applying the silicone?

« Last Edit: February 10, 2010, 11:16:01 AM by pintobean11 »

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Re: Table Maintenance Question
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2010, 02:39:00 PM »
order the silicone now so u have it next week...this is made for this application...i know silicones are different by density...don't remember the density Tornado settled on but i have put it on a table like yours and it worked good

Lowes or the Depot will likely have liquid silicones but you are sort of shooting in the dark for the weight you should be using

if it was me, I would wait the week for the stuff i know was meant for an application like yours

on cleaning
soap, hot water, rag/cloth for wet scrubbing, rag for drying, and elbow grease...dry after cleaning...use the same on bearings and bumpers

don't worry about the WD40, damage is done...i bet it won't have a long term impact with playability but this is an example of what happens when you don't follow the collective wisdom of those who have gone before you and already learned all these lessons...buy the right stuff ONCE instead of other guesses...this should limit damage and will actually get you what you want sooner than the shoot and aim method


let us know how it turns out