Topic: backpinners rejoice

[No Shot No D]

Am I the only one who misses the Warrior table?   Looking forward to playing at the Fireball US Open.  Bill Ray was telling me that I am going to like the table. We'll see.  So much of the control on the Warrior table was because of the ball.  I hear some of these Fireball events are using Tornado balls. 

Anyway, came across this footage in one my digital file downloads and went on the net looking to see if anyone cares.  It is always easier to shoot against stationary men but this footage should give you a good demonstration of a walking back pin 3 bar series.  There are probably 5 or 6 other variations that I might try but this basically covers the main shots.  Everybody says that backpin is no good cause you cannot hit straight and as you can see my answer would be why hit straight when you can split.

Let me know what you think and please do not show it to anyone who wants to learn how to stop it.



Ahmad

[PatRyan]

Footage isn't too bad there Ahmad. Who did you get to shoot the backpin in that video  ?  Maybe we can see him shoot it like that in person sometime   

[PatRyan]

I kid...I kid...

[No Shot No D]

Footage isn't too bad there Ahmad. Who did you get to shoot the backpin in that video  ?  Maybe we can see him shoot it like that in person sometime   

Hey Pat, The trick was I was pretending like you were in goal and everything seemed to go in.

I think towards the end the famous Persian Shadman nose makes an appearance so there is no denying it.

[PatRyan]

It did look l ike I was playing singles.  Like I would EVER move to the back and try to block something when playing singles.  I simply make sure the men are in front of the goal, and not flipped up in the air.

Did I mention how good I am in Singles? 

[Anderson]

Great stuff! The best backpin footage I've seen out there so far, except for Pat Ryan playing defense. I'd like to see some footage against a real D.

[wildcard]

I enjoyed watching Ahmad play when he was in St Louis this year, almost no one here does 3bar backpins and very few of us do 2bar backpins. When Ahmad was on a roll the goalies had little clue. Ronnie Nevois has an absolutely wicked 2bar reverse backpin (when he is in back, which begs question "why would you ever put Ronnie in back?", lol)

[No Shot No D]

Happy to report that the back pin works just fine on the Fireball table.  I just played at the Fireball US Open a couple of weekends ago and had some success with the shot.  It was a fun event.  I played against Tony in the pro/am event and he decided to shoot a few back pin shots against me and scored a good dead man push side.  And then he decided to show me that he can pretty much score any shot against me.   Fun table!  Faster than Tornado!  We were using the new Tornado balls which is not the ideal for back pin because it loses its grip after a few matches.  Dennis the Fireball guy and I had a conversation about the shot, I am not sure if I could suggest any obvious improvements to him since I have no engineering skills but I was able to show him how the Tornado ball slips out of place when the ball is walked.  I think he is committed to a hard Tornado style ball.  Hopefully he will come up with something that works for us as well.

Ahmad

[Old Meister]

That part about Dennis being committed to the Tornado ball is troubling as I think Fireball table with a warrior ball would be outrageous and most old schooler's as well as euro players would love it. As far as hitting a middle from a back pin, it's but an easy matter of rocking in the middle and doing a short push(split standard defense) rather than going long. Done properly the goalie goes, "Huh?" Actually it is an easy shot once you're dialed in. Couple that up with a nice compact pull off the rock and the pleasing long push, well, the addiction to the backpin becomes obvious. The key is to stay relaxed and focused and using power when it is needed as it is what makes some of the shots hook like you need them to.

[Anderson]

At the Fireball tourney in Atlanta we used the older Tornado ball which really worked great for backpins. The ball has to have some grip. I agree that the newer ball slips too much. They have to fix the ball issue. As to the short push/pull for hitting the middle, you can also do quick brushes to get the middle.