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Pink vs. Red Tornado Balls
« on: March 03, 2009, 12:25:10 PM »
As some of you already know, I recently purchased a brown marble table off of craigslist. With this table came 6 balls, 5 red and 1 pink. To me (beginner player) there seems to be a huge difference in the way these two balls play. Some early observations:

Pink -

Rougher texture = easier to receiver passes and easier to grab on to the ball with the player feet.

Plays a bit slower


Red -

Faster play

Harder to accept passes

Texture seems to be more slick



Do you guys agree with my observations? What are some other differences that I may not have not seen yet?

As a beginner, I seem to be more comfortable with the pink ball. I have read that these balls are no longer sold but I do see it up on one of the store websites that are in a lot of these threads:

http://foosdirect-store.stores.yahoo.net/fts-110-005.html

Are they indeed still available at this store?


Offline snake eyes

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Re: Pink vs. Red Tornado Balls
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2009, 03:31:59 PM »
Those are even different red balls than your seeing for the new ITSF. What you have is most likely what we refer to as "tomato" balls very slick and incrediblebly UN round. If you have (9) of these in your brown coin-op be prepared for jamming of the coin-operation as they are larger in diameter than true tornado balls. I know this from first hand experience as we had them in our bar table for a while. THEY SUCK!! A rollovers worst nightmare. Invest the money and but new tornado or ITSF santioned balls.

Re: Pink vs. Red Tornado Balls
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2009, 04:40:51 PM »
Are they indeed still available at this store?

The Pink balls will continue to be available!  they will be the standard ball shipped with the tornado home tables.  They've been pretty consistent over recent years!

The Red balls varieties have been numerous of late. As snake eyes mentions.. the OLD cherry tomato red balls might be what you picked up in buying an old used brown marble table.

There's a new softer/grippier red ball that i believe a small batch was made. It was evaluated in Vegas last year but it lost the popularity vote.  It appears that some of these balls showed up in parts packs at the recent Maryland State Foos event.

There are 2 batches of new "harder compound red ball" - similar to the pink balls!!!

The 2.5 hour tumbled ball was used at World Cup/World Championships in Nantes France supposedly!   When we are out of these, i think they will be gone/discontinued in favor of....

... The newest 5.0 hour tumbled ball which will be used at upcoming HOFC in Vegas!

Again, both of these play more like the pink ball than other batches of red balls.   The manufacturer has been through several iterations of tests with different duration of tumbling and the longer tumbled balls should be the standard ball for the T3000 coin op and T3000 non-coin tables!

You can order a 10pack of new 5.0 hour Tumbled Red Balls here...
http://shop.foosball.com/ballsqty10.html

You can get a little more info and order Pink or 1st batch for 2.5 hour Red Balls here...
http://shop.foosball.com/fts-110-005.html

Re: Pink vs. Red Tornado Balls
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2009, 04:55:15 PM »
Thanks, I will be placing an order. These tomato balls I have are not conducive to my noobish skills.


Update - Order sent.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2009, 05:08:42 PM by jhespada »

Offline bbtuna

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Re: Pink vs. Red Tornado Balls
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2009, 05:52:37 PM »
i think the 5 hour is going to be the standard if they can get on it and stay on it not making changes and if you are just starting out, that ball is helpful because it will provide you most control

the advantage of learning with "training" balls that are slicker is that everything else seems easier and if you can control the slicker ones, and it can be done, then everything else you play on is fun fun fun

now, if you are just playing for fun at home, go for the most control you can get and just have fun

by the way, i hope you looked up previous links on cleaning and preping your new bought used table

hot water and elbow grease for nearly everything

slicone bought from Jim here online for your well cleaned rods and bearings

best applicator for silicone on your rods
http://foosdirect-store.stores.yahoo.net/fooslube.html
and refills with
http://foosdirect-store.stores.yahoo.net/fts-110-035.html

Offline Will17

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Re: Pink vs. Red Tornado Balls
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2009, 06:43:57 PM »
tuna, what is best to use for cleaning out bearings?

Offline bbtuna

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Re: Pink vs. Red Tornado Balls
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2009, 10:34:25 AM »
okay, long answer but it is other needed info on cleaning

hot water, dish soap, a washing cloth you don't mind losing (because it will have silicone remains on it and other nasties, and muscle

soak them in very hot water and dish soap and then take them out one at a time and scrub scrub scrub rinse with as hot a water as you can stand and towel try each one and set them aside on a another try cloth

if you haven't take them off yet and you can keep track, it is good to keep the bottom half the same as it was on the table when you removed it...it isn't a super big thing but the rod seats in that bearing half and sort of improves with age (until it actually breaks down but this takes a very long time and a ton of use)...if you mix them up, it isn't any real big deal but if you can start the same as the table is set now you can make better decisions on what kind of shape your bearings are in and if you should flip them

if this is too late, don't worry about it

Also, you want to clean the rods real good when you get the bearings off
you should use a rag and muscle and either hot water (my preference) or alcohol as some on the board prefer

don’t leave water to linger on your rods when you are done cleaning…dry them with a dry cloth

use hot water or alcohol on all surfaces, inside and outside, cabinet, playing surface, men, and interior (especially clean the ramps and goal backs real good)…make sure you don’t leave moisture on any metal surface

you don’t want to leave any foreign substance on the table and no moisture that may cause corrosion

this full big time cleaning will take a couple of hours to do it right but it will be well worth it, when you are done, you will be very very happy with the outcome…you will feel you stole this table and you will know the table better and you will know you have a really fine piece of machinery that can literally last a life-time with basic maintenance

you will not have to do this again so take your time and be very through, detail counts this time…you are dressing up and protecting your very good investment – make it count and see just how good a job you can do…like, get some tooth picks and a soft thin absorbent cloth and work at getting all the dirt from the cracks around the inside of the table along the side-strips on corners where is frequently builds up…whatever, there may be a better way, I am just trying to illustrate go the extra mile to make the table like new as much as is in your power

going forward keep the table up is just about wiping things down every so often to keep the dust and grime clear and silicone as often as you like…I don’t spend more then 30 minutes a year and my table is still like new and it is 3 ½ years old…so do the work now while you are excited and it will pay dividends over and over

Offline Will17

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Re: Pink vs. Red Tornado Balls
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2009, 02:55:37 PM »
thank you. I'll get it done.

Re: Pink vs. Red Tornado Balls
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2009, 03:26:37 PM »
A few NEW bearing halves will work wonders on your table!

If in removing the bearing halves (of your Tornado coin op or old Cylcone II with split bearings) inspect the surface that the rod actually contacts.   It should be a shiny black, not a flat "sanded down" black, and not a scratched gouged surface.    Investing in 4 new halves for your favorite rod will work wonders!   In a pinch you can get renewed "movement" out of a rod by replacing the 2 bottom halves (1 on each side of the cabinet!

We just stumbled onto a neglected coin op table in a corner of a local pub... and 1 bumper and 8 bearing halves later... a little cleaning.. and some fresh lube... and the minor overhaul was raved about by a few locals!
Note we put the donated 8 bearing halves on bottom of both offensive 3-rods and 2-bars!

Oh yea... we were sure to tag the table with a foosball.com sticker too!  :)