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practical?
« on: March 15, 2009, 11:03:41 PM »
i have little experience in doubles, but im curious if it would be practical and or legal for a forward to grab the 2bar and pass to the 5bar after the D gains control of the ball and maybe brings the ball to nearside?  also im curious the difference in percentages of passing 2-5-3bar teams vs from 2bar-home type teams?

Offline foozkillah

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Re: practical?
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 12:40:55 AM »
Legal only in singles, not doubles.  Forward is allowed only the 3bar and 5bar, while the goalkeeper is allowed only the goal and 2bar.

In singles, however:  If you have a decent passing 5bar, you should only take a couple of days to work out a legal 2-to-5 pass on the near or far side.  EVEN IF YOU HAVE AN EXCELLENT SHOOTING SERIES from the 2bar.  The trick is to reliably learn to brush your passes at an angle to the wall or upwards away from the wall.  A simple bounce-pass off the wall is very common among good 2-to-5 passers.  Stick or "square" 2bar passing usually only works on a passive 3bar or the opposing forward is sleeping.   A 2-to-5 passing series is very handy to have, because although a solid zone defense against both shots or passes from the 2bar are easy to snap to immediately in doubles, it is a lot harder in singles to set up the goal and 2bar while still defending with the 5bar and 3bar.  Especially if the ball is being crossed over back and forth at the 2bar between the near and far sides.

It also comes in handy in singles when the opposing player just keeps either bricking your shots or clears from the goal area.  And its an automatic if your singles opponent simply positions his 3bar and 5bar and jumps back to his goal and 2bar in an absolutely passive defensive position.  It really doesn't matter whether you do nearside or farside left hand passing on the 2bar to your 5bar or your 3bar, for that matter.  They're both better than left hand 2bar passing (pretty suicidal, actually) from in front of, or very near the goal area.  It's also better if you can master BOTH the farside and nearside 2-to-5 series, obviously, because it gives you more options in case the opposing forward just shuts down any passing on one side or the other.

I thought it would be hard to get a decent 2-to-5 passing series, but after learning to brush down or bounce up from a wall dribble on the far side, it felt like my beginner days when I would dribble the ball off the far wall and waiting for the 3bar to open up before I shot the ball from the 2bar.  A week after getting the brush and bounce-up, it was easy to select a spot between the wall and the big rectangle or penalty box area to shoot a stick to my 54 player (2nd in from the farthest 5bar player - th 55 player).  Had fun with this in pickup games, had a very nervous time (lost quite a few in the beginning) in real matches, then it was easy.    I then started working on my near side 2-to-5 series, either a brushdown to the 51 or a bounce up to the 52.  Just keeps getting better... I also do the 2-to-3 pass, off a back and forth from my left hand on the 2bar to the 3.

Hope you practice it.. It is fun and certainly isn't boring to practice with all the options.  Next get a partner who plays forward and practice the 2-to-5 and 2-to-3 using the same strokes.  Good luck..

Re: practical?
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 01:36:30 AM »
i am at that point now with my singles 2-5 series thats why i asked the question because im guessing that the reason why the better doubles teams shoot from the 2b-home is because its harder the goalie to w/ his right hand pass to the forwards left hand because they not of 1 mind.
even if ur both pro's and practice signals ur odds are still probably lower on capturing a brush up or brush down pass that isnt aimed dead at a mans default location( i play near side) vs when ur playing alone, even lets say 2v1... just being the fact that ur left hand is passing on the 2b-ur right hand 5b ur brain can calculate the 100th's of an inch u have to move the 5b to capture the pass. thus giving u a higher percentage of execution. so id say given the rules yaa id tell my D to fire it home and practice forward wall bounce recoveries.
but would be cool if it was legal! in singles u can have ur right hand on the 3b taking a shot and left hand on both goalie rods having 2 hand 3 rods, or in double or singles u can take both hands and random the hell out of the 5b! 2hands 1 rod, 2 hands 3rods, 2hands 2 rods, 2hands all legal. ok... now i wounder if during doubles if while a forward was taking a shot the goalie could reach up w/ his right hand up on the 5b and still have his left control both goalie rods? leaves the forward to have 1rod and the goalie 2hands 3rods. once the shot is ricochet off the wall and neither of u recover it im sure u would find out that its not practical! say u have a srub D or a scrub O who are the rules to bind me to controlling from 2 or rear 2 rods, if im good enough to control 3 as a D and have the shooter focus on only the shot, or as a good forward to snatch the 2b for a hot second to make an easy pass to my 5b then play it up as a forward usually does.

but i guess rules are rules are rules! i dont mind playing by them. if they weren't there ppl would find and use exploits and crap all over the game. lol even with the rules ppl exploit... but oh well.

thank u for the reply and i appreciate ur input!

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Re: practical?
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2009, 09:12:50 AM »
Good examples of 2 to 5 bar passng series are Tony Spredeman and Rico Collignon.

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