Topic: Is this 5bar shot legal or illegal?

[jkhFoos]

Here's the scenario: The ready protocol has been accomplished(4.2)& ball in play(6.). Ball is motionless on 5bar. A single figure (any one of players 51 through 55) does a push(or pull) shot [not a push(or pull) kick shot which by definition involves 2 players] which goes directly into the goal. Legal or illegal? To me rules are either must do or can't do. If this is illegal would someone please refer to a rule book statement which prohibits such a shot. Thankyou. John Hayes

[foozkillah]

Legal, as long as the shot isn't taken at the 5bar until after 1 second has elapsed from the time Ready Protocol has been observed and confirmed.  Ball just can't leave the 5bar area until after a full second after Ready.

As long as you don't let the ball leave the 5bar area, in either the forward or back direction, for a full second.  Ball is motionless (ie stopped) in the 5bar area as you described, so it would have to be a shot on goal, or a one-man pass from a stopped ball that isn't caught on the 3bar, even if it touches the defending 5bar.

[jkhFoos]

Thanks Killah-& yes, I understand about the one second.

[foozkillah]

No problem... I brought up an inadverdent touch of the opposing 5bar because:

1. It is a stopped ball at your 5bar, which can be shot (in a pull or push or even whacked directly) as soon as 1 second has elapsed.

2. It is a stopped ball at your 5bar, which cannot be legally passed without hitting another man, directly to your 3bar, even accidentally.

3. If the shot hits or glances off the opponent's 5bar and lands on your 3bar, that is still an illegal pass.

4. However, if the shot goes PAST your 3bar, then rebounds off the wall or off any of the defending goalplayer's figures, you may then legally catch this ball on your 3bar, whether it hit the defending 5bar from the serve shot or not.  This would be the only way you could complete a "pass" from a stopped ball shot on the serve, caught by your 3bar.... off a rebound from the goal area.

More complicated and problematic than just passing directly, but, ala Billy, it is a valid series, especially on a 1 goal-figure table, where the absence of wingers puts even an alert defending goalkeeper at a disadvantage in preventing a rebound while concentrating on defending the on-goal shots first.

[jkhFoos]

I appreciate the possibilities.#3 poses another question. Does land on your 3bar mean you could avoid an illegal pass by tapping it backward trying to catch it on your 5bar (come what may) or is it an illegal pass the moment a 3bar man touches the ball?

[foozkillah]

I appreciate the possibilities.#3 poses another question. Does land on your 3bar mean you could avoid an illegal pass by tapping it backward trying to catch it on your 5bar (come what may) or is it an illegal pass the moment a 3bar man touches the ball?  

If you shoot a stopped ball from the serve with a 5bar figure, whether it glances off the defender's 5bar or not, catching the ball or exhibiting control (equivalent to a catch) by tapping it back to your 5bar is illegal.  Now it if just bounces back to your 5bar on a rebound, without any successful attempt at control on your 3bar, would be legal and this can and does happen when the passer puts too much spin and or power on the original 5bar shot.

Your scenario, or #3, where the stopped ball, shot by your 5bar, glances off and is slowed down by the defender's 5bar, and slowed down enough for you to tap it backwards, is automatically illegal, because you exhibit control the moment you show you are tapping the slowed ball back.  Illegal.

Much easier and simpler to learn to shoot a little mini-pull or pull kick from the 5bar, and you can then catch the ball all you want, and can also kick it backwards immediately, for a change of pace or timing.

[jkhFoos]

Understood-Thankyou again.