Topic: how the hell do you delete a topic?

[dlemons4]

 Im trying to delete this topic but I dont know how.

[redterror]

wow never seen a table setup for lefties. GL

[PatRyan]

You definitely have found a gem!  That is a quality table.  A pre-Valley Tornado is probably the sturdiest table built!  I bought one back in 1991 and it still plays PERFECT to this day, not one broken part EVER!

to answer some of your questions:

DO NOT USE A WIRE WHEEL ON THE RODS!
I would recommend steel wool and see how they turn out.

The rods should be lubricated with liquid silicone.

Roll pins come out with a pin tool.
(I would recommend ordering a few things to help with the repair and maintenance of the table,
pin punch, bearing wrench, couple of new balls, couple of extra pins, bottle of silicone, all available at the foosball.com main site)


Roll pins are reusable if not broken

Men are reusable, might want to clean them though  

Bumpers should be good unless they are cracked or falling apart

Keep the three man goalie for now, table is designed for them.

I wouldn't recommend staining the handles, maybe some wraps to make the handles look better and provide a bit of grip.


Based on the pictures, you might want to rearrange the rods and put them on in the correct locations and make sure the player figures are facing the proper direction (based on the pictures the rods are on backwards and so are the player figures).  You may be able to order from foosball.com a set of assembly instructions to assist you with this, or someone here (myself included) could help you out with the way to set the table up.  


Hope that helps!!

[JimWaterman]

Nice find!   You have a Tornado Table Soccer Coin Op... also called a T20000.
It could be from the 1980's & maybe early 90's.    You can get most parts on our site at this link...
... http://parts.foosball.com   then click on Tornado.

Here's some tidbits re: your questions.

1. How do you remove the pins from the men to get the poles off?

You need a Pin Punch ...  here are 2 that will work...
... http://shop.foosball.com/fts-110-021.html
... http://shop.foosball.com/superpindriver.html

1.5. Can You reuse the pins or do I need new ones? Where can I find them?

You may be able to reuse some, some will come out broken, new ones are only 35cents...
... http://shop.foosball.com/fts-110-020.html

2. I have a bench grinder with a wire wheel, will this work to clean the rust off the poles?

New "tornado rods/poles" are pricey... and you won't be able to get CLOSE to the proper speed/play of the original tornado without new rods AND BUSHINGS that the rods come in contact with.   Note these 2 items.
... http://shop.foosball.com/fts-110-047.html
... http://shop.foosball.com/fts-110-046.html

3. Are the men re-usable or should I invest in new men, rubbers, handles, etc.? I saw some part kits  on Ebay for restoring tables like I am trying to do. I would rather use the stuff I have but I dont know if its still usable.

Consider wire-brushing the men.. and you should be able to get some good life out of them.   Actually some folks would suggest that the "OLDER men are bit better/more solid than some of the newest batches of Tornado men"

4. I was going to stain the handles, will this affect play (sweaty hands and such)?

Staining them will be fine for "look" of the table and will play okay for casual/recreational play.   If you get some intense games/battles going on the table then you might want to look at a myriad of foos products that fooers use to "cover up the wood" and get a grip suited to their style of play and "sweat glands".
... http:/shop.foosball.comt/wraps.html

5. What should I use to keep the poles sliding smooth? Silicone? WD-40? What shouldnt I use?

The Liquid Silicon is a MUST.... note: it won't work miracles though.   The rusted rods you have will more than likely have "scratched up" the surface on the bushings/bearing halves mentioned above.
... http://shop.foosball.com/silicones.html

6. What is needed for maitenance of my table?

The above will give you a good start.   again, look at http://parts.foosball.com for other "stuff" that is available.

7. Im used to 1 goalie, should I keep three or switch to one?

Personal preference really...   there is a "1-man goalie conversion kit" in the store as well.   It comes with 4 "ramps" that will glue down to the playfield, and a few other needed pieces to make the conversion.


Let's see.... your "tune up" could get pricey.   You might consider doing just part of the table for starters.
... Just the Yellow side if you want to practice
... Just the 2 back yellow rods/men/bearings & the 2 back black rods/men/bearings - removing the middle 4 rods altogether and you'd have a great playing "goalie-war" table.
... If you are gung ho about the "tune up", and want to load up on LOTS of rods/parts, let me know and I can give you a break on pricing!  

Drop me an email with your phone number if you want a call to discuss.

Jim Waterman
jim@foosball.com

[wildcard]

Don't forget the score marker kits and keylocks.

Did anybody else want to cry when they saw the condition of that table? Blasphemy! At least now it is owned by someone who cares.

Before you spend any money though, you may want to pay close attention to the surface and sidewalls for water damage. I don't know whether all the rust on the rods was from the salt air down there in FLA (maybe he kept it out on the porch?) or whether it was actually inundated in water, but the integrity of the mdf that it was built with may have been compromised. How do the inside parts look? Water damage in the inside would not bode well for a successful renovation.


Good Luck!

[dlemons4]

Wow, I really appreciate the help guys.

Jim, I am going to send you an e mail and get some prices from you. Thank you so much for the input and the quick answers.

Wildcard, there is no water damage to any of the rest of the table. Like you assumed, it was left on his porch. Oh and I have the score markers, I just removed them for the transfer to my house.

Thanks again for all of the help!!

Dale  future foosballer

[EDGEER]

The biggy is the rods.  Ed McCloud used a decorative chrome process and that is why they are rusted.  What you can do is look in the phone book and find a chrome restoration company.  But instead of going back with decroative chrome have them use hardened chrome like they use on crankshafts.

[dlemons4]

The biggy is the rods.  Ed McCloud used a decorative chrome process and that is why they are rusted.  What you can do is look in the phone book and find a chrome restoration company.  But instead of going back with decroative chrome have them use hardened chrome like they use on crankshafts.

How much do you think something like that would cost? Any guesses? I guess ill just call tomorrow and get a price. Also, what should I do with these bearings? They are loaded with dirt and dust. Should I remove them to clean them? Do I need the Bearing tool to remove them or can I use some channel locks or something? Also, I pulled off the white side strip on one side of the table because it was half way off anyways, and I was wondering if there was a special glue to put that back down or if I should just use whatever. 

thanks ,  dale

[JimWaterman]

Hey Dale....

re: the bearings...
Remove them with Channel locks in a pinch.... here is the "tool" the maufacturer provides with new tables. http://shop.foosball.com/fts-110-049.html

if you are going to try to "clean up" your current rods, then just remove and clean up the old bearings.
if you invest in new rods, make sure you get new bearing halves at that time.  (use old rusted rods on new bearings and you'll just scratch up the new bearings).

Jim

[EDGEER]

If you lived here in Fort Worth I could hook you up with a chrome company.  I know the guys that use to chrome the rods for McCloud.  Listen for the price of men, bearings and rods you will still have a bargain.  Use contact cement to glue the strip back down.   Update us on your progress.