Topic: snake, monkey, rollover,flailing spin whatever you want to call it.

[bbtuna]

here is the rule in its near final form the way I wrote it but again I would change it to 10 seconds and after messing with it for a while, I might actually go with a 1 second or zero second stop...this is only the stopped ball part and not the "spinning" "rollover" part because I for sure would not limit people and try and kill the rollover

8.   ALTERNATIVE GAMES/FORMAT & SPECIALTY EVENTS
8.1.  Soccer Style (S-style) Rules of Play:   On WTSA there will be two predominant styles of play. One (the more traditional relatively slower style – sometimes referred to as “Texas Style”) is the “T” style (Traditional or Texas style) and the other is “S” for Soccer style featuring a faster soccer style of play.  The entire rule book applies to both styles with the following exceptions for S-style play.

8.1.1.   Stopped Balls 2 or 3 rod:   Balls can not be stopped for more than 2 seconds without shooting,   
passing, or putting the ball back into play.  The player can restart the clock by putting the ball back into play.  In the meantime the overall 12 second per rod time limit continues.

8.1.2.   Back and front pins are considered two different shots and therefore two different sets.

8.1.3.   Pinned Balls 2 or 3 rod:   A Pinned ball is not considered a “Stopped Ball” until the lateral motion of the pinned ball is stopped for more than 1 (one) second – a pinned ball that is not in lateral motion but is rocking in place is considered stopped. 

8.1.4.   Stopped Balls 5 bar:   All 5 bar rules remain the same as the “T” style play except that the ball can not be stopped for more than 2 seconds…see Stopped Balls 2 or 3 rod and Pinned Balls 2 or 3 rod.

8.1.5.   Back Into Play:  To put the ball back into play means moving the ball from one playing figure to another (pinned or inline) or from one pin set to another.

8.1.6.   Penalty:  If the ball is stopped for more than 2 seconds or there is an attempt to advance the ball after the 2 seconds, these are the penalties:

8.1.6.1.   If the ball is scored, the score does not count and the ball goes to the opponent on their 5 man or 2 man rod (their choice). 

8.1.6.2.   If the ball does not score, the team on defense has the option of continuing play from the current position, continuing play from the point of infraction, or serving the ball at their 5 man or 2 man rod (their choice).

8.1.6.3.   Continued violations may be grounds for a technical foul.

[Old Meister]

Soccer style sounds like a lot of fun to me. It sounds like 70's north country foosball. Gotta love it!

[gitablok]

Thanks OM.
I´m a constant reader of this board for a quite a while now and enjoyed many of your posts. I´m going to be in Dallas this year, so if you make it I´d be looking forward to meeting you, maybe exchanging some knowledge about the long snake shot
Greets,
    Jonny

Hey Jonny, If you make it to Dallas, look me up. I'll be one of the THREE black guys in the room,lol. Hopefully in March if all goes according to plan, I'll be at the Tecball world's. Are you going?

I know you said it was more of a personal thing with Tim, but it would have been nice to see you go up against someone like Billy, Todd, a Tracy Mac. No offense, but although Tim shoots a good pull, it is not one of the most dynamic. And the fact he really didn't change his defense against your shot baffles me a bit. But you gotta love it when someone calls you out on something and shove it down their throat for all to see.

I've shot this shot before not as a main shot only as a change of pace and only on a goalie who has no clue. Never thought it would be a viable shot against good goalies. It's similar to two guys I've seen in France on the Bonzini. They both shoot front toes but one starts from the pull set and the other the push set and their straights are devastating. In other words, they have also taken a shot which traditionally started from the middle and have moved it to one side.

So if I don't see you in Holland, I'll see you in Dallas for sure, I live here. Tell Sandra, Tim, and Mark I said hello.

And bodygroove, no excuses. You need to go to the Tecball Worlds. Time to put up or shut up, or should I say show up,lol. If I travel 7000 miles the least you could do is travel a few hundred kilometers right?

Ice.

P.S. Hey Spray, Jim Stevens says hello.

[Old Meister]

Hey Jonny, that angle from the straight option is pretty sweet to do. I'm fighting a hitch on the long though, still working on it and have studied your form closely to see if I can get any clues on how to get the toss that long and that fast. I'ts coming though. Sorry, I won't be making it to Texas, I wish I could.

[thebodygroove]

And bodygroove, no excuses. You need to go to the Tecball Worlds. Time to put up or shut up, or should I say show up,lol. If I travel 7000 miles the least you could do is travel a few hundred kilometers right?

Hey Iceman, what's up, brother?

Accomodations are already running short at that place, but maybe I can make it there for one day and go back home at night. You're crazy to travel that far just because of that stupid game...  You'll be going there as a member of the Insidefoos crew, right? Will you have the time to teach me how to shoot a Pull Shot at all?

They both shoot front toes but one starts from the pull set and the other the push set and their straights are devastating. In other words, they have also taken a shot which traditionally started from the middle and have moved it to one side.

Is that so? I thought the traditional Euro Pin starts from a pull set... You'll see that shot A LOT at the Tecball WCS.

Cheerz

Pat

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[gitablok]

It's a deal.

You promise to show up and I will promise to show you how to shoot a pull and anything else you want to know. I just need to make sure I get the following Monday off to allow for travel. That's what I'm working on now.

So yes, if I make it, I will be with insidefoos but also will play with the American team if we have enough players to form a team for the team competition.

[the spray]

The SPRAY here,
Played with Flair last night and after beating fernando for winners of the winners, he said something about The Spray and I told him again about our fun here!? He told me he said his piece in the chat room and you guys all feel a little better about me. For all of you who know Brenndan if you like him youll like me we both play aggresive (70's style) both tell great stories and WILL make you laugh. Hope to see you in Dallas, playah's!!! Oh yeah got double dipped by, dont even know what to call this shot by Fernando but didnt miss much.

                                      The Spray's back
                                   

The Spray is an old foos buddy of mine from the late 70's who has been out of the game for a decade or 2 and has hit the last 2 tour events and will attend at least another 3 this year. He told me he thought he got his tit in a ringer with this thread so I thought i would take a look.

After glancing thru here I believe the last post by bbtuna is briliaint for 2 reasons. I think he sized everything up correctly and he realizes that if today's tour players had a 1000 new Spays on tour, the players in the game right now would most likely beating up on most of them for at least 6 months maybe a year for huge prize money. (200 entry times 1000 is 200k entry's in that tourny being carved up) After that it is likely in my opinion guy's like this just like water will find thier natural level. In his case he was competiitive against touring pro's.

Let me tell you that is no easy feat when ( I am not kidding) his long pull sprays from the dot.

All I can tell you is this.... I can see why, like bbtuna said without personally knowing someone that made a couple of these posts you could eaisily take him for a jerk... but for what it's worth I know anyone, once they get to even meet this guy will realize he is not.

[thebodygroove]

It's a deal.

You promise to show up and I will promise to show you how to shoot a pull and anything else you want to know. I just need to make sure I get the following Monday off to allow for travel. That's what I'm working on now.

I can't promise anything right now, but I'm working on it, too.

So yes, if I make it, I will be with insidefoos but also will play with the American team if we have enough players to form a team for the team competition.

As long as you won't be playing against the German team, I'll be shouting for you! Go Iceman! Go USA!

Cheerz

Pat

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[the spray]

Good to meet you Get a block and as Stevens knows I want all pics and videos of ME and will pay a fair price. Let me know. See you in Atlanta if not sooner.

                             The Spray

Thanks OM.
I´m a constant reader of this board for a quite a while now and enjoyed many of your posts. I´m going to be in Dallas this year, so if you make it I´d be looking forward to meeting you, maybe exchanging some knowledge about the long snake shot
Greets,
    Jonny

Hey Jonny, If you make it to Dallas, look me up. I'll be one of the THREE black guys in the room,lol. Hopefully in March if all goes according to plan, I'll be at the Tecball world's. Are you going?

I know you said it was more of a personal thing with Tim, but it would have been nice to see you go up against someone like Billy, Todd, a Tracy Mac. No offense, but although Tim shoots a good pull, it is not one of the most dynamic. And the fact he really didn't change his defense against your shot baffles me a bit. But you gotta love it when someone calls you out on something and shove it down their throat for all to see.

I've shot this shot before not as a main shot only as a change of pace and only on a goalie who has no clue. Never thought it would be a viable shot against good goalies. It's similar to two guys I've seen in France on the Bonzini. They both shoot front toes but one starts from the pull set and the other the push set and their straights are devastating. In other words, they have also taken a shot which traditionally started from the middle and have moved it to one side.

So if I don't see you in Holland, I'll see you in Dallas for sure, I live here. Tell Sandra, Tim, and Mark I said hello.

And bodygroove, no excuses. You need to go to the Tecball Worlds. Time to put up or shut up, or should I say show up,lol. If I travel 7000 miles the least you could do is travel a few hundred kilometers right?

Ice.

P.S. Hey Spray, Jim Stevens says hello.

Thanks OM.
I´m a constant reader of this board for a quite a while now and enjoyed many of your posts. I´m going to be in Dallas this year, so if you make it I´d be looking forward to meeting you, maybe exchanging some knowledge about the long snake shot
Greets,
    Jonny

Hey Jonny, If you make it to Dallas, look me up. I'll be one of the THREE black guys in the room,lol. Hopefully in March if all goes according to plan, I'll be at the Tecball world's. Are you going?

I know you said it was more of a personal thing with Tim, but it would have been nice to see you go up against someone like Billy, Todd, a Tracy Mac. No offense, but although Tim shoots a good pull, it is not one of the most dynamic. And the fact he really didn't change his defense against your shot baffles me a bit. But you gotta love it when someone calls you out on something and shove it down their throat for all to see.

I've shot this shot before not as a main shot only as a change of pace and only on a goalie who has no clue. Never thought it would be a viable shot against good goalies. It's similar to two guys I've seen in France on the Bonzini. They both shoot front toes but one starts from the pull set and the other the push set and their straights are devastating. In other words, they have also taken a shot which traditionally started from the middle and have moved it to one side.

So if I don't see you in Holland, I'll see you in Dallas for sure, I live here. Tell Sandra, Tim, and Mark I said hello.

And bodygroove, no excuses. You need to go to the Tecball Worlds. Time to put up or shut up, or should I say show up,lol. If I travel 7000 miles the least you could do is travel a few hundred kilometers right?

Ice.

P.S. Hey Spray, Jim Stevens says hello.

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[alaskan thunder]

Well Kid ... I hate to tell you that people were shooting that snake shot that way over 18 years ago.  Check out an old guy  ( Named Jet )  I think from Germany that has been playing many many years ago  and he was shooting the snake shot the same way when I saw him at Milo butterfingers in Texas before the World championships in the late 80's.

Uhhhh I think that the "kid" you are talking down to is the one called Jet. At least he is according to you tube.

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[thebodygroove]

Other than you guys, the "kid" in the video knows Jet personally, since they both play on the P4P tour. Jet's name is Hans Friedrich Kircher, and he invented the Shot after a wrist injury...

The video is entitled "Pull Shot vs. 'the Jet'" because "Jet" ist what we call the Rollover here in Germany, as Jim Stevens clearly explains. (Did you also think the other kid's name was "Pull Shot"? ) Next time you watch it, turn the sound on.

And Johnny never bragged about having invented the long Snake or something. He said that he only knows three guys who shoot this as a main shot. I seriously doubt that Jet used it that way on a Tornado. Maybe he was shooting a three-quarter-long or something. I've sent the man a message and will post his reply here.

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[thebodygroove]

I hope Hans Friedrich "Jet" Kircher will answer me and clarify this issue. And if you read Johnny's post it's obvious he's a nice, humble kid who wouldn't claim to have invented anything that he hasn't.

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