why would i want to maximize my back swing? i would figure that thats a waist of movement, all u need to hit the ball is to be just under the ball before striking,
Exactly!
and to straighten the shot u use recoil, not more power! yes the faster the ball goes the straighter it goes, but for the most part the mechanic is recoil, not velocity.
Not necessarily. A small motion makes the shot faster, not slower. If you're starting from the middle, you don't really have to recoil the shot, although it wouldn't be harmful.
my support vids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkuZ2jG6lmo
Forget this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JruFJxWeaig
Yeah, watch how Rico does it. There can be no doubt this guy has the best EFP on the planet. During the last couple of years, he has spent some time fine-tuning his shot, which basically means reducing the course of motion to the absolute necessary.
is this a "closed hand"?
No, this is purely open-handed. You can also see he doesn't use any kind of additional motion to the palm roll. No wrist, no forearm.
u can tell he is looking for minimal backswing, now i know he doesnt always use this type swing. in every match ive seen him in his palm is far above the rod open handed, but if he practices closed handed then that must be the way to go!?!
It's only a matter of where you put your palm on the handle before starting the shot. Some roll it along their fingers, others, like Rico in this vid, along their palm. Either is fine.
although not getting the responses i was looking for, again thank you for ur input
ill just mabe play a forward shootout with walking the ball, then 1 only launching from center. which ever scores more(the bottom line) ill stick with
To me it feels like walking the ball is an advanced option. When you can execute the shot from the middle properly, you might want to try incorporating fakes and 3/4-longs.
Whether you go vertical, or use a shorter backswing, the forearm twist added to your finger or palmrol makes you go to whatever your maximum backswing is, a whole lot faster.
Provided that you get the two motions perfectly timed. If not, it only hinders speed. And, which is more important: You don't need a fast backswing. You need a fast shot. If you incorporate any forearm motions into the backswing, chances are you still have too many muscles flexed when shooting. Bad idea!
I'm not sayin there's anything wrong with a shorter swing at all! But if you wish to hit the long where the lateral roll and inertia is obviously much greater than an inside shot, then I would just suggest waiting or timing that swing, and there is no faster way to get to your backswing limit than combining the forearm twist with your roll. The faster you get to your backswing limit, vertical or shortNsweet, the faster you can shoot at that closing hole.
Again, there's nothing faster than a well executed, minimized palm roll. Try it!
And I've seen tons of Euro shots set from maximum near or far, like a pull or push with a pin, going full across the goal to the long hole.
You bet! But that's not what we're talking about here. That's a different shot.
None of those ever worked with shorter swingback that I can recall. If bodygroove has a deadbar full across shot with such a shorter swing, not even 90degrees back, I'd love to see it.
As I said before, I'm not an expert. And I'm practicing the Rollover, since I don't have the time for learning a good EFP. I can only pass on the theoretical knowledge that was imparted to me.
When you're shooting longs, backswing is not reallly a decisive factor, obviously. Most guys I've seen tend to go well over those 90 degrees for the long hole. They also let the ball roll behind the rod, even though I was told not to do so.
Killah, have you seen Dieter Thiele play on Tornado? Did he use that shot successfully? I'm tempted to say that shooting long EFPs on a Tornado is an option only for top players.
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