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Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2005, 04:53:15 AM »
Is it Rule 21.4 or 21.4a that makes the Leap Frog illegal?  From what I am reading, 21.4 refers to 21.1, but 21.1 only mentions a pinned ball, not a stopped ball.

Also, it seems that 21.4a refers to 21.2a , but 21.2a only mentions if the ball is caught by the next rod, not struck.

Please, by all means, correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks

Mick

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Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2005, 07:28:12 PM »
Is it Rule 21.4 or 21.4a that makes the Leap Frog illegal?  From what I am reading, 21.4 refers to 21.1, but 21.1 only mentions a pinned ball, not a stopped ball.

Also, it seems that 21.4a refers to 21.2a , but 21.2a only mentions if the ball is caught by the next rod, not struck.

21.4 applies 21.1 (including subsections) to 2- to 5-bar passing.  This includes all of 21.1 (21.1, 21.1a, 21.1b).
21.1a and b prevent passing a ball that has been adjusted or stopped (adjusted = touched by front or back of a man).

21.2b gives the definition of a pass, which includes a ball that is quick-shot.

FWIW, I'm a certified ref.  I can absolutely guarantee you that if you tried an adjustment pass from the 2-bar to the 5-bar on tour, it'd be ruled illegal (even if you quick-shot instead of catching the ball) whether it happened above or below the rod.

The rules are also heavily dependent on precedent (much like the law or the rules in, say, the NBA--travelling, for instance).  So it can be difficult to get a good grasp for what the actual rules are just from reading the book.  Which really sucks, and I've lobbied for a while to get a set of official interpretations published, but it's the current state of the world.  Just as one instance, although 21.4a only mentions 2- to 5-bar passing, the same rule applies to goalie-rod to 5-rod passing.  That's not written anywhere, but it's the official ruling.  In general, if you don't have access to official rulings you should be more interested in following the intent of the rules than the slavish written word if the two are obviously in conflict.

Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2005, 01:11:12 AM »
5 bar to 3 rod one timer....speed kills, ladies     ps...cornbread is nice too

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Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2006, 05:40:08 PM »
Wow I though the rollover would beat out all by a long shot.

Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2006, 11:54:43 AM »
Only 3 votes out of 717 members I guess I need better polls.

I think it's a good poll. Our first in the new poll section. ;)

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Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2006, 05:38:12 PM »
This is the most voted on poll!!!

Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2006, 12:42:02 PM »
i'm not that advanced of a player but my favorite shot is the masse/ curve shot.. my other favorite is the push

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Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2006, 12:47:54 PM »
We need to see votes like this on more polls.

Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2006, 05:15:27 PM »
I shoot a push...I hear alot of people say to stop and work on something else.  I'm not sure I agree.  I watched Tony shoot about 6 deadbar pushes in a row in St. Louis.(just warming up) people say its too hard to square?? My long is pretty square..I can go deadbar sometimes....1 out of 10 or so.  I have a variety of about 5 pushes...seems to work pretty well.  I can hit a rollover pretty good.  It seems my percentage is better with the push right now...

Any one have any input?? Is the push a dead end road? 

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Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2007, 12:57:04 PM »
#1 poll and #2 Viewed post.

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Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2007, 07:20:33 PM »
What about Johnny Lott and the Helicopter Shot?

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Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2007, 11:20:40 AM »
say what was the Helicopter shot anyway, how was it done

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Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2007, 06:45:23 PM »
What about Johnny Lott and the "Helicopter" shot?

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Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2007, 07:04:56 PM »
One time Johnny Lott was playing a money match in Chicago. A Toournament Soccer event in November, 1978. A good size crowd gathered to watch as Johnny took on a European team. Johnny was dribbling the ball from front to back pins using both men from the two row at goalie. He would roll over the long way (helicopter) and stub the ball loudly enough to make his opponents flinch and then fire at goal. The ball control he exhibited that day from front to back pins was astonishing. The opponents were determined to one up Johnny Lott one time before they lost. The forward heeled up the ball in a front pin, helicoptered the man all the way around to stub loudly as Lott had been doing. Johnny reacted to the thump by giving a wide open middle. The forward crushed a straight in ....
with his FOOT. Johnny smiled as the crowd went wild. I heard later it was for $500 and Lott won.

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Re: Favorite shot
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2007, 01:40:51 PM »
Mine would have to be the snake. :) I'd like to learn the pull shot, but I have a lot of trouble racing the ball and straightening it out.